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Sarah

Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:03 PM

For anyone interested, there's a special on spiders on NatGeoWild right now and they're talking about black widows.

Guest

Posted 24 June 2012 - 08:24 PM

When I draw venom it kind of looks like green juice. Usually neon and with a glowing effect. I suppose it could be pink too but I like the idea of green venom better.

Anus Chicken

Posted 24 June 2012 - 08:17 PM

View PostGuest, on 24 June 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Mix up a salt poultice using table salt and enough hot water to make it a spreadable paste. Slather that salt all over the bitten areas and around in a circle about 3" in diameter or more. Wrap the area with Saran Wrap to keep the poultice in place and keep a hot damp washcloth on it. The salt should draw out the venom thru the skin.

hmmm, that could work

sarafina

Posted 24 June 2012 - 06:41 PM

I will remember that next time. I remember my mom doing that with baking soda for a bee sting once when I was little.

Guest

Posted 24 June 2012 - 06:28 PM

Mix up a salt poultice using table salt and enough hot water to make it a spreadable paste. Slather that salt all over the bitten areas and around in a circle about 3" in diameter or more. Wrap the area with Saran Wrap to keep the poultice in place and keep a hot damp washcloth on it. The salt should draw out the venom thru the skin.

Guest

Posted 24 June 2012 - 05:43 PM

I'm sure any antioxidant will do (and there are a multitude of them in food, especially fruits and vegetables) to deactivate the enzyme in the venom, it's just that vitamin C is cheap, available and relatively easy to take in large doses.

Anus Chicken

Posted 24 June 2012 - 05:29 PM

View PostStoni, on 24 June 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

I was cleaning the glass panes in the front door not long ago and kept wiping these tiny little blobs. I can't see worth a shit now so I didn't know what it was.

Son came in and said I was smearing baby black widows all over the glass.

He started looking and found mama under a dining room chair.

:frantic:

I would wash the bite and then let it soak in alcohol for a while.

sarafina

Posted 24 June 2012 - 05:29 PM

I am pretty sure I had a brown recluse spider bite last year on my hand. Never felt the bite and then got the white blister and red welt, just like the article described. I put neosporin on it and watched it for about a week - was very slow to heal, which is not normal for me. I was on the verge of going to the doctor when it started to improve so I just let it heal up.

Btw, I take 500 mg vitamin C most days (when I remember).

Guest

Posted 24 June 2012 - 04:34 PM

This study compared different treatments for recluse bites and found vitamin C to be ineffective. But they don't define what they call "high dose" and I bet they weren't testing the 10 gram minimum I was talking about.

But note this bolded line:

Local and systemic reactions to brown recluse spider bites are caused by the body’s reaction to the toxins produced by the spider, primarily sphingomyelinase D, which becomes incorporated into cell membranes in the skin and subcutaneous tissue, triggering an inflammatory response mediated by the ceramide phosphate pathway. One researcher has reported that Clostridium perfringens can be cultured from the fangs and venom of the spider in a significant number of cases, suggesting the possibility that secondary infection may play a role in some cases.6 Histol...

Guest

Posted 24 June 2012 - 04:23 PM

First of all, let us look at a couple of quotes about what a brown recluse spider bite actually looks like:
  • "Brown Recluse bites are sharp but not initially painful like those of the Black Widow, but a small, white blister is quickly raised, broken, and surrounded by a red welt. An hour or more may pass; then there may be intense pain. The depressed center of this raised, red circle (the size of a dime to a quarter) turns dark within a day. The dead tissue regularly sloughs away, and the bite area scars over in one to eight weeks. Death seldom occurs, but the bite is debilitating and psychologically traumatic. Note: A bite from a brown recluse may also produce an intensely sore lump, even several weeks after the initial injury."
    http://www.thebestco...r/Chapter16.pdf
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