Hello Seekers... love and ((hugs))
Some of you have noticed that there is a distinct difference between the “salvation” messages posted and my approach to spiritual truth. Unlike those who warn of dire consequences if the message delivered does not meet with open arms, I know that Spirit calls all humans, but not all humans listen, and until a person is ready to become a seeker of spiritual information, any message will fall on deaf ears.
In the past Christendom has used everything, force, threats, and bribes to swell its ranks, but fear is not a reason to seek God. The record is there for all to see. It speaks for itself and so I know real seekers will hear that truth, for it impacts the soul like no other.
Those who are have used the strong- arm approach are finding the masses are leaving organized religion in droves tired of looking for the spiritual water promised and getting only dry rivers.
Some are searching and some are drifting, now unsure of what they believe. Those who are convinced that they must seek God through one certain belief system should by all means follow that system. There should be, but not always is, allowance for other religions and races and beliefs to be given the same freedom they have. The truth is many of those believing that the wicked shall perish are referring to anyone not agreeing with them, so that to disagree puts one in the same category with those they considered wicked. At this point the zealous person sees themselves as the mouthpiece of God and their decree then becomes the decree of the highest heavens.
There are as many interpretations of God as there are humans, and each is unique and each are striving to explain God in their own terms, therefore to say that only one in particular is the right one is the height of ego. Different religions are fractal expressions different aspects of the One God. It is the human ego who insists others do it their way.
Jesus said he was the way of truth. In other words his life was based on truth and he taught all humans should speak truth. But after his death, humanity fought over truth as each group had their own version. Great arguments, commotion’s and fights broke out over this. During one of these meetings or councils to determine what truth the believers should follow the adherents physically attacked the others side slapping them across the face in their zeal for their version of the truth to be adopted by consensus opinion. From that time forward, human interpretation had become a plethora of different versions of truth.
No one’s private interpretation of holy text or God should be questioned by another as if they are God’s tribunal, sitting up in white robes in the judgement seat. All humans are equal and none should in any way belittle or condemn anyone else. To even suggest that another is not competent to make their own decision is insulting and intrusive. There is no respect for others in such views. There is no brotherhood by force, no unity in division. Jesus was about bringing people of all nations and tribes and races together not driving a wedge between them.
Those who are of no religious background are often kinder and more considerate than those who have put on the judges robes and are wearing the righteous banner across their chest. Those, who are going about their business, trying to seek the greater good for all, are doing the will of God not just preaching about it.
Jesus was talking to the Hindu and the Indian and the Presbyterian, and the Catholic and to all those who had left their affiliations. He was talking to the Swede and the Native American and the Black person and the Chinese and the South American, the Tibetan and the European, and any who tries to show kindness and love to others. This was the pattern he left. This is why the great crowd in Revelation is made up of all those people. These are the ones to whom Jesus was speaking, and not one particular organized group, but some out of all those groups.
This choosing is determined by the amount of respect, love and consideration one has for others. It is determined by one’s ability to forgive and overlook the failings of others and to love oneself and respect oneself by thoughts and actions which honor the teachings of Jesus.
This is what having the Christed Soul means. To become as close to that pattern in one’s dealing with others as one can. To see the attitudes Jesus displayed and copy them.
Seeking God should not be a debate.
If it were a matter of zealots really being interested in the welfare and destiny of others, they would not mistreat and condemn, but uplift and inspire.
You do not beat an animal into submission, filling him with dread of your presence, but you gently guide him. This was the way of Jesus who called himself the good shepherd. Why then should the way to treat animals be known on earth and the way to treat other humans not be known. It is because the pattern of force was began long ago and has been adhered to ever since without question, but this pattern is not in keeping with the personality or ways of Jesus.
They would suggest not insist. In the future on earth, this will be the way of people, because no one will be unaware and no one will need a Buddha or a Jesus or a Hermes to visit earth. All will know exactly how they should act and therefore they will all be in agreement. They will all respect each other and love and assist each other.
This is why you never see me giving an answer to those who condemn, judge, berate, disrespect, dishonor, cast aspersions, curse, or belittle. I allow all readers and seekers to see this truth displayed before their eyes, for truth speaks for itself.
Tree
Disagreement Without Disrespect
Started by Tree Hugger, Jun 29 2005 10:32 PM
12 replies to this topic
#2 *Guest~
Posted 30 June 2005 - 04:29 PM
| QUOTE (Tree Hugger @ Jun 29 2005, 10:32 PM) |
| Hello Seekers... love and ((hugs)) Some of you have noticed that there is a distinct difference between the “salvation” messages posted and my approach to spiritual truth. Unlike those who warn of dire consequences if the message delivered does not meet with open arms, I know that Spirit calls all humans, but not all humans listen, and until a person is ready to become a seeker of spiritual information, any message will fall on deaf ears. In the past Christendom has used everything, force, threats, and bribes to swell its ranks, but fear is not a reason to seek God. The record is there for all to see. It speaks for itself and so I know real seekers will hear that truth, for it impacts the soul like no other. Those who are have used the strong- arm approach are finding the masses are leaving organized religion in droves tired of looking for the spiritual water promised and getting only dry rivers. Some are searching and some are drifting, now unsure of what they believe. Those who are convinced that they must seek God through one certain belief system should by all means follow that system. There should be, but not always is, allowance for other religions and races and beliefs to be given the same freedom they have. The truth is many of those believing that the wicked shall perish are referring to anyone not agreeing with them, so that to disagree puts one in the same category with those they considered wicked. At this point the zealous person sees themselves as the mouthpiece of God and their decree then becomes the decree of the highest heavens. There are as many interpretations of God as there are humans, and each is unique and each are striving to explain God in their own terms, therefore to say that only one in particular is the right one is the height of ego. Different religions are fractal expressions different aspects of the One God. It is the human ego who insists others do it their way. Jesus said he was the way of truth. In other words his life was based on truth and he taught all humans should speak truth. But after his death, humanity fought over truth as each group had their own version. Great arguments, commotion’s and fights broke out over this. During one of these meetings or councils to determine what truth the believers should follow the adherents physically attacked the others side slapping them across the face in their zeal for their version of the truth to be adopted by consensus opinion. From that time forward, human interpretation had become a plethora of different versions of truth. No one’s private interpretation of holy text or God should be questioned by another as if they are God’s tribunal, sitting up in white robes in the judgement seat. All humans are equal and none should in any way belittle or condemn anyone else. To even suggest that another is not competent to make their own decision is insulting and intrusive. There is no respect for others in such views. There is no brotherhood by force, no unity in division. Jesus was about bringing people of all nations and tribes and races together not driving a wedge between them. Those who are of no religious background are often kinder and more considerate than those who have put on the judges robes and are wearing the righteous banner across their chest. Those, who are going about their business, trying to seek the greater good for all, are doing the will of God not just preaching about it. Jesus was talking to the Hindu and the Indian and the Presbyterian, and the Catholic and to all those who had left their affiliations. He was talking to the Swede and the Native American and the Black person and the Chinese and the South American, the Tibetan and the European, and any who tries to show kindness and love to others. This was the pattern he left. This is why the great crowd in Revelation is made up of all those people. These are the ones to whom Jesus was speaking, and not one particular organized group, but some out of all those groups. This choosing is determined by the amount of respect, love and consideration one has for others. It is determined by one’s ability to forgive and overlook the failings of others and to love oneself and respect oneself by thoughts and actions which honor the teachings of Jesus. This is what having the Christed Soul means. To become as close to that pattern in one’s dealing with others as one can. To see the attitudes Jesus displayed and copy them. Seeking God should not be a debate. If it were a matter of zealots really being interested in the welfare and destiny of others, they would not mistreat and condemn, but uplift and inspire. You do not beat an animal into submission, filling him with dread of your presence, but you gently guide him. This was the way of Jesus who called himself the good shepherd. Why then should the way to treat animals be known on earth and the way to treat other humans not be known. It is because the pattern of force was began long ago and has been adhered to ever since without question, but this pattern is not in keeping with the personality or ways of Jesus. They would suggest not insist. In the future on earth, this will be the way of people, because no one will be unaware and no one will need a Buddha or a Jesus or a Hermes to visit earth. All will know exactly how they should act and therefore they will all be in agreement. They will all respect each other and love and assist each other. This is why you never see me giving an answer to those who condemn, judge, berate, disrespect, dishonor, cast aspersions, curse, or belittle. I allow all readers and seekers to see this truth displayed before their eyes, for truth speaks for itself. Tree |
Sounds like another flavor of sanctimony to me.
#3
Posted 30 June 2005 - 04:37 PM
May I disagree hopefully without being disrespectful?
| QUOTE |
| Jesus said he was the way of truth. |
Actually, what Jesus said was not that He was the way of truth, but that He was the truth itself. See: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. Likewise, He is the way itself. There does not exist any other way. Even non-denominational scholars understand this point. For example: “The common conscience of the General Church flows not only from the fact that all believe He [Jesus Christ] is the Teacher of the Way, but from the faith, He is that Way itself.” GRS Mead, Fragments of a Faith Forgotten, p. 3.
#5
Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:38 PM
Of course guest that’s your right to think anything you wish. I can only give my view and if someone agrees fine and if not then that’s fine too……peace
Hello Seneca
As I said. No one gets any kind of argument from me because if one wishes to see Jesus as the only way that’s really their business and this is my view and it was not always my view. I once believed only one way the THE way and that counts out half the world…..thank you for this response….love and peace
Hello flea……nice to talk to you again. Peace to you
Hello Seneca
As I said. No one gets any kind of argument from me because if one wishes to see Jesus as the only way that’s really their business and this is my view and it was not always my view. I once believed only one way the THE way and that counts out half the world…..thank you for this response….love and peace
Hello flea……nice to talk to you again. Peace to you
#6 *Guest~
Posted 03 July 2005 - 06:02 PM
| QUOTE (Tree Hugger @ Jul 3 2005, 03:38 PM) |
| I once believed only one way the THE way and that counts out half the world…..thank you for this response….love and peace Hello flea……nice to talk to you again. Peace to you |
Ah, Tree!
I'm with you on this one.
A Just and Merciful God would allow for lots of roads to lead to home!
#10 *leia~
Posted 04 July 2005 - 09:24 PM
| QUOTE |
| This is why you never see me giving an answer to those who condemn, judge, berate, disrespect, dishonor, cast aspersions, curse, or belittle. I allow all readers and seekers to see this truth displayed before their eyes, for truth speaks for itself. |
I've been out all afternoon and just had a chance to look at the board. I really needed to read something like this today. Thanks so much.
#11
Posted 04 July 2005 - 10:45 PM
I agree Leia
The Divine Mind is all things to all people.
I am pleased if anything I said has made this day a little easier for you. The level of posts sometimes can make one think that everyone has a dismal outlook but that only part of the human race not all of us....I love you
#12 *leia~
Posted 05 July 2005 - 01:47 AM
| QUOTE (Tree Hugger @ Jul 4 2005, 08:45 PM) |
| I agree Leia The Divine Mind is all things to all people. I am pleased if anything I said has made this day a little easier for you. The level of posts sometimes can make one think that everyone has a dismal outlook but that only part of the human race not all of us....I love you |
Awww, Tree Hugger - I'm so glad you post here!
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