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Were the 12 Tribes of Israel Based on the Zodiac?


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#1 Arch~Angel

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 08:57 AM

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 10:29 AM

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 10:59 AM

I've always thought so.
If you read the passages in the Book of Revelation, I don't know how else you couldn't.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 11:02 AM

"...the number (twelve) of the apostles is that of the twelve tribes, and the latter are a personification of the twelve great gods, and of the twelve signs of the Zodiac.

Every detail almost in the Christian dogma is borrowed from the heathens."

SD I, 400

"...So patent is the fact, that the Roman Catholic writers — especially among the French Ultramontanes — have tacitly agreed to connect the twelve Jewish Patriarchs with the signs of the Zodiac. This is done in a kind of prophetico-mystic way, which would sound to pious and ignorant ears like a portentous sign, a tacit divine recognition of the “chosen people of God,” whose finger has purposely traced in heaven, from the beginning of creation, the numbers of these patriarchs.

For instance, these writers (De Mirville among others) recognise curiously enough all the characteristics of the 12 signs of the Zodiac, in the words addressed by the dying Jacob to his Sons, and in his definitions of the future of each Tribe. (Vide Genesis, ch. xlix.)

Moreover, the respective banners of the same tribes are claimed to have exhibited the same symbols and the same names as the signs, repeated in the 12 stones of the Urim and Thummim, and on the 12 wings of the cherub.

Leaving the proof of exactitude in the alleged correspondence to the said mystics, it is as follows: Man, or the Aquarius, is in the sphere of Reuben, who is declared as “unstable as water” (the Vulgate has it, to be “rushing like water,”); Gemini, in the strong fraternal association of Simeon and Levi; Leo, in that of Judah, “the strong Lion” of his tribe, “the lion’s whelp”; the Pisces, in Zabulon, who “shall dwell at the haven of the sea”; Taurus, in Issachar, because he is “a strong ass couching down,” etc., and therefore associated with the stables; Virgo-Scorpio, in Dan, who is described as “a serpent, an adder in the path that biteth,” etc.; Capricornus in Naphtali, who is “a hind (a deer) let loose”; Cancer, in Benjamin, for he is “ravenous”; Libra, the “Balance,” in Asher, whose “bread shall be fat”; Saggitarius in Joseph, because “his bow abode in strength.”

To make up for the twelfth sign, Virgo, made independent of Scorpio, is Dina, the only daughter of Jacob. (See Genesis xlix.) Tradition shows the alleged tribes carrying the 12 signs on their banners. But the Bible is, besides these, full of theo-cosmological and astronomical symbols and personifications.

It remains to wonder, and query — if the actual, living Patriarch’s destiny was so indissolubly wound up with the Zodiac — how it is that after the loss of the ten tribes, ten signs out of the twelve have not also miraculously disappeared from the sidereal fields? But this is of no great concern. Let us rather busy ourselves with the history of the Zodiac itself."

SD I, 651

"...The Semites, especially the Arabs, are later Aryans — degenerate in spirituality and perfected in materiality. To these belong all the Jews and the Arabs.

The former are a tribe descended from the Tchandalas of India, the outcasts, many of them ex-Brahmins, who sought refuge in Chaldea, in Scinde, and Aria (Iran), and were truly born from their father A-bram (No Brahmin) some 8,000 years B.C.

The latter, the Arabs, are the descendants of those Aryans who would not go into India at the time of the dispersion of nations, some of whom remained on the borderlands thereof, in Afghanistan and Kabul, and along the Oxus, while others penetrated into and invaded Arabia.

Ptolemy, speaking in his ninth table of the Kabolitae (Kabul tribes), calls them [[Aristophuloi]], the aristocratic or noble tribes. The Afghans call themselves Ben-Issrael (children of Is(sa)rael), from Issa, “woman and also earth,” Sons of Mother Earth. But if you call an Afghan Yahoudi (Jew), he will kill you.

The subject is fully treated elsewhere. The names of the supposed twelve tribes and the names of the real tribes, the same in number, of the Afghans, are the same. The Afghans being far older (at any rate, their Arabic stock) than the Israelites, no one need be surprised to find such tribal names among them as Youssoufzic, “Sons of Joseph” in Punjcaure and Boonere; the Zablistanee (Zebulon); Ben-manasseh (sons of Manasseh) among the Khojar Tartars; Isaguri, or Issachar (now Ashnagor in Afghanistan), etc., etc.

The whole twelve names of the so-called twelve tribes are names of the signs of the Zodiac, as is now well proven. At any rate, the names of the oldest Arabic tribes, re-transliterated, yield the names of the zodiacal signs and of the mythical sons of Jacob likewise.

Where are the traces of the Jewish twelve tribes?

Nowhere.

But there is a trace, and a good one, that the Jews have tried to deceive people with the help of those names. For, see what happens ages after the ten tribes had wholly disappeared from Babylon. Ptolemy Philadelphus, desiring to have the Hebrew Law translated for him into Greek (the famous Septuagint), wrote to the high priest of the Jews, Eleazar, to send him six men from each of the twelve tribes; and the seventy-two representatives (of whom sixty were ghosts apparently) came to the king in Egypt and translated the law amid miracles and wonders. See Butler’s “Horae Biblicae,” Josephus, and Philo Judaeus."

SD II, 200 fn

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"...Nor is it to be much wondered at that the alleged ten tribes of Israel disappeared during the captivity period, without leaving a trace behind them, when we are informed that the Jews had de facto but two tribes — those of Judah and of Levi.

The Levites, moreover, were not a tribe at all, but a priestly caste.

The descendants have only followed their progenitors, the various patriarchs, into thin, sidereal air. There were Brahms and A-brahms, in days of old, truly, and before the first Jew had been born."

ibid.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 11:22 AM

QUOTE (Arch~Angel @ Feb 6 2010, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>




a definite parallel/parable, just one of many in Revelation, as Fay was saying.....


I've wondered about angel and angle too.... hmm.gif


Right angles.


and the four corners of the earth, are merely the points of all four directions of N, S, E, AND West.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 11:26 AM

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 11:29 AM

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The earth is far too beautiful, it's qualities and characteristics far too benevolent, for me to not believe in a Creator.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 01:22 PM

CAN'T RECALL WHERE THE DISCUSSION WAS, MIGHT HAVE BEEN WITH PATRICK AND NABI LONG AGO

WASN'T DINAH AND DAN THE SAME ASTRO SIGN?

BUT DAN REPRESENTED THE 13TH SIGN IN THE ZODIAC, IN PARTICULAR WITH REGARD TO THE BANNERS/SHIELDS USED BY THEIR TRIBE

THE PHOENIX HOLDING THE SERPENT ( EAGLE ETC )

DINAH WAS SCORPIO AND DAN WAS SCORPIO TOO, BUT LATER IN THE CYCLE IN THE 13TH SIGN, HENCE THE ANTI CHRIST MYTH ORIGINS ALSO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus

BUT I AGREE COMPLETELY, ESPECIALLY ON THE BREASTPLATE OF AARON WITH THE GEMSTONES THAT CORRESPOND TO BIRTHSTONE MONTHS

THE ODDS OF HAVING A DOZEN CHILDREN, EACH BORN IN A DIFFERENT MONTH OF THE ZODIAC IS POSSIBLE, BUT RARE.

SO IN SOME WAYS IT SEEMS *CONTRIVED* TO FIT THE PRE EXISTING ANCIENT WORLD PARADIGMS ALREADY IN PLACE

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 01:42 PM


The jews just worked themselves into it so they could appear important.

FUCK israel.

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