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Re: Martin/Zimmerman Stand down, it was only about the money


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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:13 AM

View PostGuest, on 17 April 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

First of all I just want to thank God; We simply wanted an arrest; we wanted nothing more than an arrest. We wanted nothing more, nothing less; We just wanted an arrest, and we got it, and I say thank you. Thank you Lord; Thank you Jesus….

- Sybrina Fulton, 04/11 (video here)

“We are not asking that he [Zimmerman] be convicted; We are asking that he be arrested”

-Benjamin Crump Esq.
Attorney for Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fuller
(Quoted to Piers Morgan on 4/3/2012)

And there you have it, the ulterior motive, the hidden agenda:

MONEY !


The Trayvon family is not seeking justice in the form you would think. No, they are seeking monetary justice, or more directly monetary gain. THAT is the motivation; and the absence of an “arrest” is what stood between them and their ability to sue in civil court”.

Ask yourself why would anyone want an arrest without a conviction?
“We are not asking that he be convicted; We are asking that he be arrested”
Why is that so important?

The answer can be found in the statutes of Florida law surrounding Justifiable Use Of Force (Statute 776) which outlines in Statute 776.032

Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force:
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

Note that in section 2 of the immunity statute 776.032 a person is “immune” from criminal or CIVIL action if they are not arrested. The arrest itself can be interpreted as “Probable Cause” the force, or action taken, was unlawful.

Remember the key distinction between guilt or innocence in Criminal vs. Civil trials. In criminal trials the burden of proof is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. In civil trials the burden of proof is “with a preponderance of the existing evidence”; this is where probable cause comes into play. For the purpose of “monetary justice” it only takes an arrest; a subsequent conviction is not necessary.

Without an arrest there is no standing for a civil case awarding monetary damages to Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fuller against George Zimmerman, the HOA for The Retreat At Twin Lakes, and possibly the City of Sanford and all of their respective insurance companies.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:40 AM

Not that there's anything wrong with seeking monetary compensation. This is why we have insurance. I think it's a flaw in the Florida statutes that they don't have standing to sue without an arrest and that should probably be changed.

But just look at all the people who got riled up and beclowned themselves over this. All the way up to the oval office.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:45 AM

View PostGuest, on 18 April 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

Not that there's anything wrong with seeking monetary compensation. This is why we have insurance. I think it's a flaw in the Florida statutes that they don't have standing to sue without an arrest and that should probably be changed.

But just look at all the people who got riled up and beclowned themselves over this. All the way up to the oval office.

You need look no father than the nearest mirror.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:12 AM

I'm not going to make any money from this case and I wanted to see an arrest, not necessarily a conviction.

I know you understand the concept of a thorough investigation including a trial by jury.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:30 AM

Zimmerman's story is that Martin saw his holstered gun and tried to grab it. That might be the truth! If the forensics, which we have not seen yet, confirm that Martin had a hand or two on the gun, then it's cut and dried self defense because at that point Martin was not unarmed. And should that be the case, then under Florida law, Zimmerman should have been immune from arrest, prosecution and civil suits. Which would make his current incarceration a gross miscarriage of justice.

I know you believe that the cops on the scene wanted to charge him and that his father intervened to get him off the hook, but that was just an allegation by a Martin family lawyer and was vehemently denied by the parties alleged to have been involved. It was claimed that an investigator filed an affidavit, but none has ever surfaced and may not exist. It's possible that the reference to manslaughter that appeared on the initial police report is the genesis of this rumor. But it's the prosecutors who determine if charges should be filed, not the police, AND that report was completed shortly after the incident and BEFORE the investigation was complete.

The fact that he was not arrested does not mean there was not a thorough investigation. It might simply mean that a thorough investigation showed no probable cause that Zimmerman committed a crime.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:43 AM

It's fair to observe that his father is/was a judge and MAY HAVE exerted influence to get his son off the hook, both in 2005 and this year.

It's not fair to CONCLUDE that his father being a retired judge had any bearing on either case, though.

It's a possiblilty, yeah, but not a foregone conclusion. I have to think that if his father intervened in 2005 that he would have seen the charges dropped and his record expunged. Instead, he entered an established pretrial diversion program that was available to anyone and the arrest stayed on his record. Surely daddy could have done better than that?

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:50 AM

View PostGuest, on 18 April 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

Zimmerman's story is that Martin saw his holstered gun and tried to grab it. That might be the truth! If the forensics, which we have not seen yet, confirm that Martin had a hand or two on the gun, then it's cut and dried self defense because at that point Martin was not unarmed. And should that be the case, then under Florida law, Zimmerman should have been immune from arrest, prosecution and civil suits. Which would make his current incarceration a gross miscarriage of justice.


It also "might be the truth" that any altercation between the two men concluded with Zimmerman drawing his gun on Martin, Martin begging for his life and Zimmerman shooting him anyway. Then it's "cut and dried" murder and Zimmerman should be convicted and incarcerated.

I don't know and you don't know.

That is why the case is going to trial.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:35 AM

Under Florida law, Zimmerman gets a chance to make his case for self defense and, if he proves his case, there will be no trial. Should it go to trial anyway, he gets a second chance to make his case for self defense.

However, it would be politically explosive to try to do that before the election so Zimmerman is on ice for the time being. His lawyer has already said there would be no trial this year.

If the forensics show that Martin had a hand on the gun, then Zimmerman has been put through hell for no legitimate reason. If that is indeed the case, I hope he sues and gets damages in the hundreds of millions.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:54 AM

View PostGuest, on 18 April 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

Under Florida law, Zimmerman gets a chance to make his case for self defense and, if he proves his case, there will be no trial. Should it go to trial anyway, he gets a second chance to make his case for self defense.

However, it would be politically explosive to try to do that before the election so Zimmerman is on ice for the time being. His lawyer has already said there would be no trial this year.

If the forensics show that Martin had a hand on the gun, then Zimmerman has been put through hell for no legitimate reason. If that is indeed the case, I hope he sues and gets damages in the hundreds of millions.

If he is going to prove his case, it will be done by his lawyers, in court, not by anonymous teabaggers on the internet.

Anyone that would let the outcome of this case influence how they vote in a presidential election, one way or another, is a fucking idiot - but look who I'm talking to?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:10 PM

The law-enforcement source familiar with the case, who told The Daily Beast that he personally believes Zimmerman’s account, said Zimmerman has told three different law enforcement agencies his version of the events: the Sanford Police Department, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and the U.S. Department of Justice. The source said Zimmerman has not talked about the case directly with the office of special prosecutor Angela Corey, which filed the murder charges against him on Apr. 11. A spokeswoman for the special prosecutor’s office declined to comment on the case.

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As has been reported, Zimmerman told police officials that he lost sight of Martin and went around a townhouse to see where he was. Then he claimed Martin confronted him and punched him, knocking him down.

According to The Daily Beast’s source, Zimmerman told police that when he was on the ground, Martin straddled him, striking him, and then tried to smother him.

Zimmerman claimed that he yelled for help, and that various neighbors who peered out to see the fight from their backyards didn’t get involved. Zimmerman, the source said, told officers he was so paralyzed by fear that he initially forgot he had a gun, but he said that after Martin noticed his 9mm pistol, Zimmerman pulled it out of his belt holder and fired one round, a hollow-point—the round that killed Martin. (The autopsy report on Martin has not yet been released.)

According to the source, Zimmerman told police that Martin’s last words after the shooting were, “Okay, you got it.” He said the phrase twice, then turned and fell face-down on the ground.

(Martin’s father told reporters last month that police had told him his son’s last words were, “You got me.” Benjamin Crump, the family’s lawyer, said he doesn’t believe either account.)

According to the source, Zimmerman told police he didn’t realize that Martin was seriously injured, and that he lunged to get on top of him after the teenager fell to the ground. Moments later, a police officer from Sanford arrived, placed him in handcuffs and took his gun.

The law-enforcement source said Sanford police investigators interviewed Zimmerman three times about the shooting. The last time followed a walk-through of the shooting site. Afterward, three detectives grilled Zimmerman at police headquarters in their most thorough and hostile questioning, according to the source. They told Zimmerman they didn’t believe him, the source said, and tried to poke holes in his story.

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The source familiar with the case said that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigators had Zimmerman lie on his back in another location in an effort to recreate the position he said he had been in during the shooting. Then, the source said, investigators recorded Zimmerman as he shouted what had been heard on the 911 calls: cries such as, “Help me!”


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 03:41 PM

Essentially Benjamin Crump based the entire construct of the Trayvon narrative of events squarely on the shoulders of “DeeDee“.

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She was filled with “puppy love” and “traumatized beyond anything anyone could imagine”. So devastated she had to be taken to the hospital and could not even attend the visitation or funeral. So special that Trayvon and DeeDee spent 400 minutes, or 6 hours and 40 minutes on the phone with her on one day, Sunday February 26th, the day he was shot. His last day alive.


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Tracy Martin, and Sybrina Fulton became, perhaps unwitting, tools toward the end goals of a much larger objective. Tracy and Sybrina stood to gain success in their original goal of knowlege, and then Crump added another benefit, while not initially considered, of financial reward.

Yet, the factual evidence stood in their way of both goals.

On one hand you see distraught parents forced to face the reality of a troubled teenage son, and simultaneously faced with guilt from complicit failure as parents to provide Tryavon the internal moral compass and value system to succeed. Defining him as a victim helped avoid confronting the mirror.

On the other hand you have a self-defense claim from Zimmerman which would not only wipe out any chance for Parks and Crump to achieve Financial Justice, but such an outcome would also place the guilt burden back upon an absentee Mother and Father in accepting the failure to develop a moral compass within their son.

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Again, the problem lay with factual evidence not leading to arrest. So media evidence was needed. Media evidence need not be real, it merely needs to appear to be real.

On Monday March 12th the absence of evidence was again noted by investigators. By Friday night March 16th the 911 calls became a media strategy to manufacture the framing for an arrest.

But, the investigators had already determined the 911 calls did not contradict Zimmerman, to the contrary when added to the eye-witness accounts they supported Zimmerman’s explanation of events.

Crump needed something else to change the arrest narrative in their direction.

That something became “DeeDee”, Trayvon’s “girlfriend” and she became an audio-witness. Again it is important to review the CNN Transcript from Crumps Press Conference disclosing DeeDee.

There is only ONE problem. Crumps framing is FAKE.



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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:20 PM

So now the 'baggers are attacking *Dee Dee".

Blame the victim. Blame the victim's girlfriend. Blame anyone but the POS that pulled the trigger...

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:27 PM

View PostGuest, on 21 April 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

So now the 'baggers are attacking *Dee Dee".

Blame the victim. Blame the victim's girlfriend. Blame anyone but the POS that pulled the trigger...

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That's way a freak bagger rolls.

They're still piss that I was elected instead of being appointed like thier cowboy.

Oh, have ya heard, I'm black, some how that got leaked by britbart.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:13 PM

Click on the link and check out her tweets. If she was Martin's girlfriend, neither she nor her boyfriend knew anything about it. And she didn't seem too distraught on the days she didn't attend the visitation or the funeral, when Crump said she was so upset she had to be hospitalized.

Crump has lied repeatedly and the media lapped it up like the dogs they are. It sucks that Zimmerman got arrested based on this trumped up bullshit, but the upside is we may get to see this "witness" on the stand and see if Crump's story stands up. lol

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:24 PM

Re: the bail hearing...

the darker moments for the prosecution included:
- The admission by co-lead investigator that he had not personally interviewed George Zimmerman;
- the admission that he had not requested Zimmerman's medical records from the hospital;
- the admission that the state has no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim that, following the advice of the police dispatcher, he headed back to his car;
- the admission that the state has no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim that Martin assaulted first.
- the admission that the investigtors have not been "given any insight" by the voice experts at the Orlando Sentinel and the FBI who attempted to identify the screams on the 911 tape

http://justoneminute...il-hearing.html




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