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post Nov 20 2006, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (ehl @ Nov 20 2006, 01:32 PM)
Let's see...

The Milkyway is several hundred if not thousands of light years in width as we move across. Now we're to believe that the last 20-100 years of global warming is connected with this travel?

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Good one!

I think the main thrust of what Matt is proposing is that the solar system isn't "part" of the Milky Way Galaxy (as has been thought for eons) but is, instead, part of what's known as the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy (SagDeg).

RE: Global warming - IIRC - it is thought by many scientists that the earth's cooling/warming, etc. is the result of passage through various "clouds" in the MILKY WAY galaxy.



ETA: Matt, if you haven't seen this you might be interested in taking a look at it:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ZeZa6l...us&ct=clnk&cd=3


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is sagattarius a dragon?
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post Nov 20 2006, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(Anonoho @ Nov 20 2006, 01:55 PM)
I think that e-mail thingy is dicey. Wouldn't it work only if both parties put in their actual REAL e-mail addresses?

The article is very clear, but I have two questions:

1. What should I be learning from the pictures? I don't know what I'm seing.

2. Where is the "galactic center" that I've heard people speak of? Isn't our alignment with that somehow related to the 2021 date?



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-- Thank you for your patience while I was geting to your questions --

Q:
1). What should I be learning from the pictures? I don't know what I'm seeing.

A:
The Milky way shot showing its true orientation in the sky is first.

How is it angled?

See that in comparison to the horizon-- that it is actually 'sideways' in the sky?

How in heaven could the entire orbital plane of the Sun, the Earth, and the
planetary orbital
rings be completely and permanenetly "sideways" to the biggest landmark in
the heavens before us?


The graphic from David Law [University of Virginia] of the blue spiral galaxy with
the orange elliptical loop is the next to study after that.

You can hit this LINK and allow the movie to load showing the graphic from all sides

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http://astsun.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sg...r.flyaround.mpg

They depicted the Milky Way at a false angle for the graphic and if you see the Yellow Dot -- that is where the Sun is...

The Sun is actually crossing into the galactic disc [from above in this picture] and
this is where all the real action is [if you look at all the pictures of the galactic disc at the page bottom you'll get and idea of what kind of energy band we are entering into]. We don't have to cross the galaxy-- [my friend ehl] we just have to cross a little further in a crosscut fashion perpendicular to the blue spiral disc cross-sectioning and be changing direction and entering denser and denser space by the second...

I welcome the questions, have had to have studied it all out to the maximum so as to be able to debate any-- ANYONE on the planet on T.V. or otherwise, so you won't likely phase me with your questions in wanting find out, but you may wish you had read into the inital post after the fact --if you didn't want to waste our time or lose any face in thinking I was a novice on any of these points and could so easily be dismissed on any or all points...

The real facts leading up to these two discoveries is the University of Virgina news release as it is nothing short of astounding-- they did not however realize in their wildest dreams what they had begun to stumble upon-- and what discoveries that would make a Nobel Prize seem like preschool were actually hidden in plain sight before them. There is now not a day goes by the global warming and weather changes are not on the lips of the newscasters. [ Abnormal has become the norm--
It is the week of Thanksgiving here in Minnesota and I heard it was going to be 60 degrees tommorow woohoo!] This set of discoveries details overwhelmingly the largest causes overall ofthe global warming phenomena .

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/gala...ble_030924.html

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2. Where is the "galactic center" that I've heard people speak of? Isn't our alignment with that somehow related to the 2021 date?

A:
Good question. You'll find it in almost every one of the plates in the initial post.
It is called Sagittarius "A" at the center and is host to a black hole and surrounded by a spiral galaxy known as the Milky Way-- which is thought to contain from 200 billion to as much as 400 billion stars. {they reportedly cannot count them all from our vantage point with current methods} The 2012 date is apparently something that appears to be coinciding at the same point in history and the Mayan calendar reportedly ends with the passage through the space that is EVEN with the Galactic Center -- EVEN BECAUSE we are passing through the EQUATORIAL DISC shown in the plates as the bright disc region:



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QUOTE (leia @ Nov 20 2006, 04:39 PM)

ETA: Matt, if you haven't seen this you might be interested in taking a look at it:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ZeZa6l...us&ct=clnk&cd=3

Hi,

-- yeah I saw that and it is wordy to the point that it can lose the reader.

The real deal that what they are suggesting is that we can now study the theory
of dark matter as more than a theory with the nearby presence of the Sagittarius
Dwarf galaxy in our midst.

It is truer than they thought.

It is sad that these researchers have to go through such contortions to be able
to come full circle and openly call a spade a spade.

Dark matter is thought to be what is holding the Sagittarius Dwarf together as
a loop since there is not all that much cohesiveness in the elongated ribbon for
gravity itself to do the whole job.

It is soon to let loose of its hold on our solar system and for the very first time
in history Earth and Solar System will possibly be doing a complete right turn
and come under the full gravitational pull and perpendicular direction of the Milky
Way and make it our new permanent home galaxy.
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post Nov 21 2006, 07:21 AM
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QUOTE (leia @ Nov 20 2006, 04:39 PM)
QUOTE (ehl @ Nov 20 2006, 01:32 PM)
Let's see...

The Milkyway is several hundred if not thousands of light years in width as we move across. Now we're to believe that the last 20-100 years of global warming is connected with this travel?

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Good one!

I think the main thrust of what Matt is proposing is that the solar system isn't "part" of the Milky Way Galaxy (as has been thought for eons) but is, instead, part of what's known as the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy (SagDeg).

RE: Global warming - IIRC - it is thought by many scientists that the earth's cooling/warming, etc. is the result of passage through various "clouds" in the MILKY WAY galaxy.

No question is a stupid question in a healthy debate Ehl.

I do value you pointing out anything you may think I might have missed.

It is important for us to try to quantify in every way possible to get a relative take on these things in order to both understand them and weed out any errors.

What the greater wholistic minds have discovered about research as a whole is that what a given individual has determined in a snap judgement was a 'weed' could actually turnout to be the most valuable herb that will be the cure for cancer-kind-of-thing etc. and if we get too fundamentalist in our thinking in a deductive reasoning approach only-- we may end up 'throwing the baby out w/ the bathwater --

-- in other words, if not also including an 'inductive' inpirationally spherical thinking as well in all dimensions irregardless of preconcieved notions-- we may end up haphazzardly throwing out some of the most valuable very subtle clues to solving the equation.

These intergalactic dust clouds are interpentrating the heliosphere as has been fully documented and will continue to reach tenfold density by 2010-2012 as reported by ESA and NASA and the Ullyses probe.

Think in terms of a similar example in how the Tsunami was really only a little bit more in height than the average high wave that would randomly come in and people standing on the shores did not see some huge 'mile high' wall of water--

--and yet the variant difference was just enough above the total sea depth and with enough behind it, that just a rise of less than maybe 50 feet coming in on a beautiful sunny day was enough to have killed-- what-- 500,000?

When seeing the footage it wasn't all that seemingly spectacular of a wave -- was it?

What we had to do was remind ourselves of the relative forces involved in order to appreciate the subtle difference and then generate a respect in that relative framework for how fragile is life and are these bodies...

Think in our galactic cloud scenario of just how little a counterforce of a contrary moving force [ or cloud ] coming in contrary to the assumed direction of travel of the the solar system and the Earth--

as a body in space that is part of a solar system traveling at 360,000 miles an hour and Earth itself that is turning at a 1000 miles an hour--

--what would it take as an even a slight cosmic level force in an opposing direction to wreak havoc or institute a degree change?

Was the Tsunami wave-force traveling in the opposite direction of our movement through the solar system at either the 360,000 miles an hour? -- or even just the 1000 miles an hour counter to Earth's rotation--? or-- even just stationary in reference to the massive relative speed that we as a solar system, or we as a spinning globe at 1000mph hour are moving?

No-- it was just a little in opposition to the relative motion of the stationary coastline and a little more in height compared to the relative depth of the body of water there and that was all it took.

When we think of it, it is an amazing thing that we are actually as a planet in this system enjoying livable conditions on the surface compared even to all the other planet surfaces.

Think we may possibly be needing to broaden our perspective a little 'eh ehl?



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post Nov 21 2006, 07:34 AM
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Seeing the Forest for the Trees...

The boy on his bicycle --

Sometimes someone outside a complex system of study is required to come in and point out an answer hidden in plain sight...

There was the story of the multimillion dollar engineered highway overpass bridge and the roadway engineers were brought in to finish the project with the laying down of a thick new layer of blacktop roadway underneath and as they had opened all the lanes back up, one of the first vehicles to come down the road and come under the bridge was one of those big old oversized earth moving trucks, and all heard a big clunk! It got hopelessly wedged and stuck under the bridge with the new height of the roadway.

Traffic began backing up for miles-- The bridge overpass engineers started to have words with the roadway pavement engineers, and the driver of the truck wasstanding next to his big rig scratching his head...

And with all this commotion going on...

Along comes a boy on his bicycle-- and the obviously hidden-in-plain-sight answer occurs to him-- so he says: "hey mister-- why don't you just let the air out of the tires".

-- and that was it! And it took some mighty big men to simply smile, admit it, and even get in a good belly laugh over it all...


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This explains it very well

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These intergalactic dust clouds are interpentrating the heliosphere as has been fully documented and will continue to reach tenfold density by 2010-2012 as reported by ESA and NASA and the Ullyses probe.


I am not disputing the dust cloud, only that million/billion year old galaxy collisions is the reason for the global warming/weather changes.

In may in fact be a dust cloud causing global warming, but that is a small event and probably not connected to the collisions of galaxies.



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post Nov 21 2006, 09:45 AM
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It might actually turn out to be all of the above--

-- and then some...

We are living on the edge and have entered the neighborhood of constant change-- just like the
Tsunami People-- with little indication in their conscious minds of a simple swell coming in that
did not even capsize boats farther out to sea...

the edge of where all the action is in a highly reactive ionizing part of the picture:

the yellow dot represents our Sun:
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just look at the brightness of the very edge of this glowing disc are where we are:
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The types of fluctuaions within an ionizing plasma are not bound in by localization of their effects--
they connect dot-to-dot as ionizing static-like lightning does through these electrically charged plasma
gas clouds and reach us instead of us having to arrive & get to that location physically to
see change variants that would normally have taken the time for us to get light years away to
experience. This is very different than the dark space we left behind us...

This is a heightened energy as a warmed-up climax-ready state where with just a little nuance...
action-contraction-and-involuntary-clutching-commences...

This IS an extra-ordinary time and although you are saying that in a million-billion year timeline it is
doubtful to you that we find ourselves at a particular point wherein such possible change is not
probable in your mind, we must admit that it is in fact possible.

Possible-- yes-- and inevitably what will happen irregardless of human beliefs.

When and how is all in the details.

Is it now?

That is a very good question my friends, and it is worth either playing the drums or doing the dance
while the music is playing.




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[QUOTE=Guest,Nov 21 2006, 07:49 AM] This explains it very well

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I'm in love with that energetic infinity sign. I may have to save it, crop it, and use it as an AV!

You say you want to find someone who will help you publish this academically.
but it seems like you could get the information out there by yourself, n something like Nexus, or another consumer-oriented publication?

Or, how about contacting the physicist who was documenting his life on the web at one time? I believe he was one of the original authors of the brilliant "comic" book called "Space, Time, and Beyond", but I'm not sure. (I remember that after reading some of his online entries, I could see where the Destiny mythology started)

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In woo-woodom there are certain metaphysical truths, but nobody can tell you what they are. You have to find them out for yourself, and test them to see if they are true.

Somewhere in the heap of belief systems that have to be sorted through is an idea that wethrough our thoughts somehow, are the creators of star systems. If that's true then there are indeed infinite numbers of them out there.

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/...21018080449.htm
"One of the joys of science is unexpected discoveries," Ford said. "Although our pictures were taken for another project, we decided to search the data for evidence of 'shredded' dwarf galaxies. We were very excited when the blue arc popped out of one of the images."

Peng noted that the remnant cannot account for all the signs of prior galactic merger activity seen in Centaurus A. As an elliptical (or roughly football- shaped) galaxy, Centaurus A was likely produced by the merger of two large galaxies.

"It's possible that the small galaxy that was recently accreted by Centaurus A was originally a satellite orbiting one of the large galaxies involved in that larger merger," says Peng. "Just like when our galaxy merges with the Andromeda Galaxy in the distant future -- the Milky Way's satellite galaxies, such as the Magellanic Clouds, will likely be involved in that merger."


http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Rapid_Ga...ly_History.html
These mergers lead to the creation of new stars from colliding gas clouds and likely feed and grow the masses of black holes lurking in the centre of all galaxies.


http://terpsichore.stsci.edu/~summers/viz/...e/galmerge.html
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Matt,

Have you seen this comment?


One Response to “The Pioneer Anomaly Solved Soon?”
1 kiril Chukanov says:

September 13th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
I know what is causing the “mysterious” acceleration of the space probes Pioneers. Based on my theory, I calculated the value of this constant: a = 8.746 x 10 ^-8 cm/s^2, the same as measured by astronomers. If interested, you can contact me on: kiril@iesica.com; phone: XXXXXXXX /h/; web-site: www.chukanovenergy.com
Best regards,
Dr. Kiril Chukanov

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